In the preceding seven annual thematic editions (Miles et al. 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003) we have been specifically concerned to stimulate intensive debate on the concept and methodologies of evidence-based medicine (EBM) and to provide learned commentaries on their implications. It is to this very substantial body of scholarly discourse that we now add the contents of the current eighth thematic issue where new perspectives from a wide range of international sources will be seen to contribute further arguments to the ongoing debate. Given the large volume of literature submitted to the Journal on EBM on a continuous basis, the editorial decision has been taken to bring the publication of an annual thematic edition to a close in favour of the publication of a Forum on EBM within each successive issue of the Journal. In this way, a more rapid dissemination of learned argument will be achieved above what is possible through a once yearly edition. In the seventh thematic edition (see Miles et al. 2003), Gupta (2003), writing from McMaster University, Canada, contributed for the first time an important perspective to the EBM debate: its ethical dimension. We argued that the ethical position espoused by the EBM protagonists represented nothing more than the results of an attempt secondarily to formalize a primarily unstructured intuition based on an absolute and fundamentally unreasoned conviction that their position is ‘closest to the truth’. In illustration of our point we commissioned four learned commentaries on Gupta's essay (Gupta 2003) and invited the eminent health philosopher Michael Loughlin to contribute additionally to the debate. The reader is referred to the individual commentaries in review of the arguments advanced (Miettinen 2003; Norman 2003; Shahar 2003; Couto 2003; Loughlin 2003) and it is in answer to her commentators that Gupta has contributed the first paper of the present thematic edition (Gupta 2004). While Gupta (2004) raises many important points in the manner of a Riposte, her paper largely re-iterates her previously adopted position (Gupta 2003) and, indeed, raises more questions than it answers. Chief among these is, perhaps, ‘. . . how can EBM provide evidence of its effectiveness and respond to this basic ethical and scientific challenge laid out by Shahar?’. Sadly, the fact remains that no such evidence currently exists and neither have the EBM protagonists appeared remotely concerned to work towards properly designed trials which might provide an answer to such a fundamentally important question. Gupta (2004) asks why, despite a significant body of scholarship having emerged through the Journal of Evaluation in Clinical Practice and elsewhere, which has challenged every dimension of EBM from its theoretical structure to its practice, EBM has been received uncritically or indeed been enthusiastically endorsed by so many practitioners? We do not agree with Gupta's contention that EBM has been well received by the majority of clinicians. On the contrary, the debate on EBM has been characterized by a stark polarity of opinion and it has been to the intensive study of such differences in medical thinking that the eight thematic editions of the Journal have been dedicated. Nevertheless, we find Gupta's discussion of the sociological, psychological and ethical issues impacting on clinicians’ opinions of EBM interesting and worthy of further study. We note Gupta's observation that throughout the history of scholarship many influential thinkers have had the intellectual integrity to revise previous ideas in order to respond to legitimate criticism and we endorse absolutely her suggestion that the leaders of the EBM movement can – and must – follow in this tradition and that as a direct function of such an approach EBM could make an important contribution to future medical practice. Only properly designed studies, rather than appeals to biological plausibility and probabilistic reasoning, will indicate whether EBM can. In the three papers which follow, two physicians and a surgeon document their thinking on the current status of EBM within clinical and academic medicine. In the first of these, Porta (2004) notes the deepening dichotomy between EBM and ‘common sense-based medicine’ and that EBM has so far failed to provide ‘the mother of all evidence’, that is, that it does more good than harm. His observation that the EBM protagonists have, in taking upon themselves the authority to define what exactly constitutes evidence and what does not, have contributed to what might be termed the ‘vigour’ of the debate to date, will find agreement among a great many colleagues. Indeed, Porta (2004) notes that the EBM acolytes have caricatured practising colleagues as ‘grubby underlings’, hopeless at applying the latest ‘evidence-based’ literature while clinicians have, in due measure, felt monitored by ‘nerds’ who ‘spend their time sipping coffee while talking to computers instead of patients’. Porta's potted history, as it were, of the rise of EBM is extraordinarily accurate. When the EBM movement was instituted, the basic concepts, he notes, all sounded rather sensible, but then epidemiologists, statisticians and librarians saw power befalling them as they trotted unexplored avenues towards number crunching. His reflection on the principal elements in the development of the EBM movement continues and is followed by a meditation on the nature of ‘common sense medicine’ in juxtaposition to the classical position of ‘evidence-based medicine’. For Porta (2004), both ‘common sense medicine’ and ‘evidence-based medicine’ are but two faces of the same painstaking clinical process which should, rather than engaging in a cockfight benefitting less-qualified individuals entering the medical field – managers, lawyers and the lay press – stand together against such forces. Porta (2004) is in our view right in asserting that as clinical research continues to produce results of relevance for transfer into daily it will from is, as Porta (2004) notes, the process which to and the of through of the methodologies of EBM has the to provide For (2004), EBM was and but a within a by the and to be followed by the does not to the previous as it were, of where from and clinical the of the clinical of many On the contrary, the absolute to clinical evidence with clinical on the that such EBM the of individual and clinical practice, as has from the of individuals towards the of with the to to and the very for the of clinical medicine to in nature and that this has more and not in as a of the of such as the and the of for on the of the in and these and notes that these produce then into and observation that medicine has in many to the position is an important and that colleagues are to medicine to the authority of of EBM who are as and (2004) more perspectives to the of EBM to ‘common within the Journal 2003) and upon was concerned with of and a from that he with a and that an through a power many he does he have to do this he can that he has evidence to the to the and what he as a The answer to this is, he with no for a and the answer to the we a ‘common the point that in the for for medical the for as a of decision in and has been We agree with (2004) that this is an important issue as he are for a between an and its then a is a of of the nature of ‘common in medical is in agreement with that advanced by Porta (2004) and indeed by and are (2004) does not that the of sense in clinical medicine in the of the to the literature for to but that the of sense this into Indeed, we agree that the of between results in clinical and direct clinical so many that a great of clinical is in the of such (2004) it is not that we not attempt to our and but rather that we the of based on clinical and that sense will have, a to in the of in the rather than in our In review and the evidence-based the (2004) a and important to the EBM debate. 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In the first (2004) on the and of clinical he notes, the clinical has to be as the of medical and paper out to the of this to a in order to upon its in the of medical (2004) current on the basic of the evidence by clinical trials with their current in medical and he the trials of present research in to (2004) is that the the of clinical trials are based on an of absolute and and paper that is at once both and In the paper which and colleagues et al. are concerned with the of clinical trials as methodologies in medical research and the of these study to provide on the effectiveness of as they are in the of clinical practice. study was designed to the effectiveness of a in the clinical of the and but the in the of their and how a more and was above what had been and how it is possible to to through their The approach by these can the by trials and has the to whether the are from the to the We agree that their is an important development in the of and an important in medical and health in of the of for the and of clinical trials as and et al. they can be and In their the on that are specifically to In the they on which are as of work and to the study in to an study which is into the study of the clinical The are concerned to review the of in the literature and to for and an study with the of scientific they do and their with that in our view are for within this field of study. 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The as a and and the scientific should, in view and in to these is that the very of is of what does not and that the scientific having of among should, among many the ideas of EBM and a The advanced by that scientific medicine can to the that have the of it – in of of scientific he practising to the of scientific medicine to that such practice, from its is not and from this the might the by the of the for the is not the of the of the questions that must be by the results of a study which is advanced as for the development of clinical and that towards scientific medicine a in medicine and academic medicine in For and for medicine to by the of The as he within with individuals in in development or in – as a of of thinking by that within the new he of scientific medicine will and from for of and that such colleagues will be to in that it could be on scientific the of scientific such colleagues add a of to out in scientific medicine’. is no in our that the international EBM debate has been a debate and which has medicine a great Indeed, it has – against the of the protagonists of EBM – to the nature of medicine. In their so and with such the protagonists of EBM have nothing than what medicine is not and this has indeed a in an where the of on medicine is as now as the in the of the In and in of their as of their approach et al. the protagonists of EBM their to the now and of the and to their by intellectual and sense to and psychological in the manner well and by Michael Loughlin who has such to to it for what it is is represented by the contention that from of in the of individual within that between and that is the clinical For our we were, in the EBM of the of who had a upon which he to they than the he as of their as to make the and they he them out to its was a of and by we that has as to the EBM in the to the publication of their The that the of research could be to the of and individual was but as has talking of the of a in the EBM might have that could no but that the of to to a new of has the to clinical of the such as and and these the on which so of medical is and as a to the international debate on more and more medical are to how these within medicine are at an with such as and are to and how from these more is in the of clinical where with taking their to their their and and the of a or is to what it is to be a good is the view of the and influential of of the of in a this notes that while the scientific evidence psychological and to and is the and of this into medical is than of 2004). the in these that in medical which of these be as well as medical and of development We of are on of and the psychological and that health status and a and on the that with the of them to and in the of and of and with the of the to which a and clinical decision and are with the of to and a of is represented by the that and issues in health be properly to so that and is to the and of the that medical and with in health which will be of the nature and of the health in which they and which to or the that they to make in the of their individual of the arguments of and which contribute to the nature of health be of this of so that in the of and how to the of on the of individual in the of good clinical practice, is such and we are in no that it is, then it is that the to medical and to clinical It is well that the protagonists of EBM to to the nature of medicine while to a of the with the decision of the that this is the and of medicine. In so as we have argued elsewhere, to rather than good clinical practice. It is now through the international debate that has been by the EBM movement that the in as we have to medical the that constitutes a of clinical and which be from that position 2001, not all clinical questions to are scientific in their nature and be to answer medicine on the of what is at an and at a for clinical practice. of what has been will the protagonists of EBM into their and into their as of that process they to on the scholarship within the eight thematic editions of the Journal rather than it with the that has characterized the of these colleagues to the learned criticism that is a and of intellectual we be in that the EBM protagonists have themselves the in direct we to the of their concepts, and not have of their an of the et al. and to the ‘evidence-based medicine’ et al. but are that the to the as the approach to questions of and et al. is is to be In the fact remains that EBM is an and based concept and Shahar 2003) and appeals by the protagonists of EBM to biological plausibility and probabilistic in of their are no to the of evidence for a and effectiveness of their The and in and the that have been in to its ethical basis, the to with further of this into health and clinical is is not ‘evidence-based medicine’ as it is as of (Miettinen 2003) but rather medicine’ as it is by